m limits were never exposed. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. Wiki Points. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. Manhattan are beings that. Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. FollowComposite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. Wiki Points. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. This is Beyonders not the famous PR Beyonder. Mxy still bitches every Darkseid save for Infinite Frontier since we don’t know yet. PR Beyonder was designated just under TOAA due to his Omnipotence in his own universe or something to that effect. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". 0. And by feats Beyonder would totally curbstomp Glory. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Oh wait that would mean auto win to Marvel. Side note: I'm using this version of. unicron wins and heres why. Dr. RULES:Morals off. The Crimson King. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. 7740. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. 6 years ago. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. Round 1: CAS vs. He was said to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel universe(?). When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. master. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. 12 years ago. Adam (presumably Gamora too) were outside his reach when he absorbed everything. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. 13 votes, 12 comments. No chance of being omnipotent. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. The Demon of Elru. He's nowhere near the same ballpark as PR Beyonder. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Followers. FinalStar86. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. Oct 30, 2006. The Two fight in the beyond realm. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. 801. He. 13 years ago. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. 10 years ago. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. 10 months ago. Victory by permanent death or erasure. London, UK. #6 Edited By icecream1991. Wiki Points. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. 0. ago. Why would a reality warper have any effect on a Biblical angelic being? The concept and idea of divinity, as in, coming from God, is a concept that Marvel lacks. 0. Business, Economics, and Finance. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. Marth Kent rolls up a newspaper and hits him makes him do. PM not so much. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. Doom. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. TOAA is above all. Eru Iluvatar (in a contest of who made a cooler world) Lucifer, Thanos, Dr. 63 results. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. One Above All (Stan Lee) Fulcrum (Jack Kirby) Living Tribunal. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Fulcrum. 13 years. The beat LT list is: TOAA, anyone with the Heart of the Universe, PR Beyonder, PR Moleculeman, MoM The match or near match LT list is: and experienced Infinity Gauntlet User The upscale but still. • 1 year ago. PR Beyonder with PR Molecule man can beat the crap out of everyone. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). She surpasses him in raw power by far. . While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. Follow 334. 0. Still "omniverse" is a nonsense. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Dude is literally from a universe(?) that is larger than the entire marvel universe(?), and was it's sole occupant. PR Beyonder wins. This is a toss up. LT did not get involved in the Beyonder/Owen fight, because he knew he was outmatched, and Owen was the multiverse's only hope. #1 Edited By bluepride1234. "@Decoy Elite: sorry for bumping this thread but I needed to reply to. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. 2. 11 years ago. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Nihilist. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Crom-Cruach said: "GL on all of them. No. Roshi in a heartbeat. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. PR Beyonder and the Beyonders fall into that category too, and you’ve claimed the former is “fodder”. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. You can't claim the same about Asura's. Lord Urizen. she is not omnipotent, but PR beyonder and TOAA are, and PR beyonder is at LT level, which means TOAA wins. Follow 25782. Perfect teamwork. u/nullfather can attest to that. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it]. Mad Jim Jaspers Vs. let's wait and see his actual feats. Gen. [deleted]Join Date. 9 years ago. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. Forum Posts. Forum Posts. 14 from eithe side. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. PR Beyonder can also create and destroy multiverses (reality, dimensions, etc) at a higher level than even the Living Tribunal can. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. ago. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. I'm siding withBeyonder's been retconned at least twice afaik, his half-a-Cube-Being version was a pretty serious reality warper too. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Follow 3068. Air Legend. Jul 30, 2018. 5. Don't worry give it couple of hours and you will see people saying that Odin solo the scpverse Anyway I meant that R3 = R4 = R5, TOAA. Beerus might have trouble with thor, shazam, and POSSIBLY wonder woman due to their godly and magical nature, the rest of the list(up to ten) is easy as pie. She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. 14 years ago. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. BEYONDERGOD. 0. 0. deactivated-5ee15da0e0aad. The first thing here is this is only a character. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. . Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. 0. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. No. PR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. Holo-Man • 3 yr. 9 years ago. KingOfAsh. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Follow 88. Beyonder solos. m outperformed beyonder,, And in Alan Moore’s watchmen, dr. Wiki Points. Also you asked who in Marvel is more powerful than PR Beyonder, so there's no. Followers. The one who shines like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos can beat Cosmic Armor Superman. Copy. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. If Iron Man can. Could not. I need to know please New Comics. Even 16D beings like LT, Eternity are nowhere as powerful as PR Beyonder, so Beyonder still wins, deal with it. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. Forum Posts. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a. Michael doesn't really have a lot in the way of feats, other than statements by other characters and some. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. 5. So. He could quite literally blink Dr Manhattan out of existence. By no means is he actually more powerful than the Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, etc. Mxyzptlk. Standard equipment. Yet, is not responsible for creation. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a drop in the. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. this may get ugly,good match up imo though. ReplyOkay so i want to go to war with the JLA and I'd like to build a team from Viners to do so. Forum Posts. 7 years ago. Forum Posts. Lol good joke about Lucifer beating CAS. LT-beating omnipotent. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. Post-Retcon Beyonder vs a Full-Powered Franklin Richards. The Beyonder is at full power and wants to destroy the universe, you can assemble a team of 10 cosmic beings from Marvel and DC to stop him, out of t. Random encounter. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. #1 Edited By bluepride1234. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). Mike+Luxy would be at least equal to PR Beyonder/Molecule Man/Mandrakk/Living Tribunal. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Follow 2797. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. 0. Manhattan's league. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. 2. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. So because of Doom holding back, Michael can win. With Marvel having beings like the LT, Protege,PR Beyonder,PR Molecule Man,Scanthan The Approver,Multi-Eternity,Oblivion,Life Bringer Galactus and many others. Bo88gdan. Round 2: Molecule Man after the retcon Beyonder era. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. R4: Mr. So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. . TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Manhattan's league. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. Follow 26437. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. #1. " Current as in the old man with parkinson's. MM is powerful enough to rebuild the marvel multiverse completely from scratch, and he was nowhere near as strong as PR Beyonder when they fought during SW2. . Originally posted by Air Legend Beyonder in a curbstomp. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. Doom. Beyonder easily. TOAA is above all. 9 years ago. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. ". also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. Living_Beyonder. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Especially. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. Forum Posts. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. This is hard to tell. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. His will is law. This topic is locked from further discussion. Nah, it’s generally recognised that PR Beyonder is above TOAA and the Presence. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. @eredin12: solar system level is roughly 150 times star level if you use our sun and solar. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. New Comics. (unless he wills himself otherwise alla Rachel Summers. 1 Winner: The Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Forum Posts. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". unicron didnt live threw the big bang he slept threw the omniversarall big bang beyonder took over the multiver/omniverse,unicron ate it/absubed it. #1 KalKent1297. Taikyoku is the beginning of all. Who is a better god like figure? This thread is archived. . Ite. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Location. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. @kingant27 said:. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. Holo-Man • 3 yr. I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. Beyonder escaped. Reviews. I think Beyonder wins based on feats. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. @lariend said: Missmatch any from team 2 can solo. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. Followers. Otherwise we're looking at LT-beating omnipotent vs. ". What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. The art work and what not is horrible. I really don't want to believe. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. Share. If allowed, Thanos with HOTU or astral regulator is top tier. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 2. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. @majestic99. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. #1. Build Your Own Omnitrix. Lucifer Morningstar vs The Beyonders. Followers. I’m goin wit Batman. @laflux said: MOM. LT, Multi-Eternity, Death, Galactus etc. #12 Edited By Montaq. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. Bump. @kingant27 said:. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. 1 year ago. 11 years ago. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. He couldn't erase Death. 8 years ago. Forum Posts. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. 6 years ago. R5: Dr. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. The Beginners Guide To Comics: Come Join The Discord: Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. 14 years ago Lance. That scales on the top dogs of each omniverse. No chance of being omnipotent. Gen. 4 years ago. 0. 0. Forum Posts. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. @asuva: @takenstew22: @shadow411: Ren and Reinhard paints the Law of the entire reality itself. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder.